I have interviewed Mr. D. Wang and associates, of Lude Media, whose organization acquired a 56-minute recording of a military-civil meeting in Guangdong province tasked with preparing China for war. According to Mr. Wang, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is financing Russia’s war in Ukraine. However, he says, Russia’s best forces are not being used in Ukraine. They have been deployed in the Far East, prepared for action against America.
According to Lude media sources, China will try to use nuclear blackmail and unrestricted warfare to collapse the United States while forcing Taiwan, Japan and South Korea under Chinese control. Failing this, China and Russia will launch a full-scale war against the United States. The Russian and Chinese fleets will be united – not in the same ocean – but by attacking the same continent, North America. The Russians will attack through the Arctic, the Chinese through the Pacific.
According to Mr. Wang, the lockdowns in China have been used to hide the deployment of mobile ICBMs and other weapons. Streets have been cleared and highways closed for this purpose. To avoid satellite detection, missile convoys have been disguised as medical or COVID convoys. Lude Media has reported that Russia and China have an agreement to invade and occupy North America, dividing the territory between them.
Lude Media has many contacts in China – people who believe in freedom and want to bring down the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Even as the CCP has declared a People’s War against the West, anticommunists in China have declared a People’s War against the CCP. They want to warn Americans about the China-Russia alliance. They want our leaders to know that we must resist the CCP at all costs. There can be no negotiating with Moscow and Beijing. America must not abandon her allies in Asia. If we fail to defend those allies, we will find ourselves isolated and economically broken.
J.R. NYQUIST: According to your sources is the CCP mobilizing for war?
J.R. NYQUIST: Who is the CCP mobilizing for war against?
LUDE: The strategy here involves a very ancient Chinese tactic. It is encirclement of an enemy post in order to eliminate their reinforcement. So, the point they are encircling is Taiwan. And the support they are trying to fight back or eliminate is the U.S. [relief] force.
J.R. NQUIST: So, it’s basically a blockade?
J.R. NYQUIST. So, what would their first step be? Would China first put their navy out and say, “We are blockading Taiwan”? Is this the first step they will take?
LUDE: The first step is to put Taiwan in entrapment. So they will use all kinds of blockade. Total blockade.
J.R. NYQUIST: So, if aircraft bring supplies to Taiwan, they will shoot those aircraft down?
LUDE: If the U.S. forces want to break into the blockade the People’s Liberation Army will start shooting. If a U.S. force is scared off, or if U.S. forces are defeated, the blockade will hold. Then Taiwan’s situation will be desperate. Taiwan will see that America is not helping them. So, Taiwan would be very easy to take.
J.R. NYQUIST: They’ll run out of food?
LUDE: Yes. This is actually – like we talked about yesterday – this is total psychological warfare; because inside Taiwan there are also forces like the Kuomintang (KMT), that are working with the CCP. Okay? If the U.S. forces cannot fulfill their promise to defend Taiwan the opposition party (KMT) will say, “See, we told you the U.S. cannot be trusted. So now let’s work with China, work with CCP.” So that is the danger we are facing here.
J.R. NYQUIST: I understand that Japan has told the United States that Taiwan’s security is a very high vital interest of Japan. So how does Japan figure into this scenario?
LUDE: The new militarism of the Japanese – this is something the CCP will all focus on; because, for example, if they start a conflict near the Senkaku islands they will say the Japanese provoked it. So then they will send out people in China to protest the new Japanese militarism so that they will have the moral high ground with the Chinese people to win support for this war. This is how they would plan to start this conflict.
J.R. NYQUIST: Are they unsure of the Chinese people’s support? Are they worried about that?
LUDE: You mean the CCP?
J.R. NYQUIST: Yes.
LUDE: In China there is a tradition for starting a war. If they need to start such a war, in every war in Chinese history they start with a “just cause.” They need to find a just cause to start this war so they will be fully supported by the brainwashed people in China.
J.R. NYQUIST: This sounds familiar – like what the Russians have done in Ukraine.
J.R. NYQUIST: What is the relationship between the Ukraine War and what the Chinese are doing here?
LUDE: There are several differences between Ukraine War and what is happening here. First, Ukraine is [almost] a landlocked country which cannot be surrounded because Ukraine has adjacent NATO countries to its West. Second, Ukraine has huge strategic depth. This means Russia will find it difficult to take Ukraine as a whole. But Taiwan is totally different. Taiwan is an island, so it is very easy for a huge country like China to use its naval and air force to encircle and put Taiwan inside a blockade first. Second, Taiwan has barely any strategic depth. A large cannon can practically shoot across the entire island. So, if Taiwan loses support from the West, it is within the grasp of the CCP.
J.R. NYQUIST: Is Russia’s invasion of Ukraine a distraction from the Far East, to draw America away from the Pacific and Asia?
LUDE: In February I said there will be a war in Ukraine. Russia will invade Ukraine because of the agreement between Putin and Xi. But we are also convinced that this war in Ukraine will not be a full-scale war that shows the full potential of Russia’s military force. The Russian military force will need to focus on a future conflict in the Far East.
J.R. NYQUIST: So, Russia’s best forces are deployed secretly in the Far East?
LUDE: Absolutely, because Xi and Putin are working together on this. So, the strategic depth of their union is much bigger than anything we have seen in history. It is greater than the Soviet Union had in World War II. It is not like one country is attacking. It is global in scale. For the Russian military force, the tip of their spear is, first, their ballistic missile submarine force which is not seen in the Ukraine War. Second, their intercontinental ballistic missile force which is also not used in the Ukraine War. And this will play a major role in the future conflict in the Far East and Pacific.
J.R. NYQUIST: Will the Russians move their Northern Fleet across the Arctic to the Pacific through the Bering Strait?
LUDE: Because the Arctic Ocean will be another hot spot in the future, I don’t think the Northern Fleet will be moved to the Far East through the Bering Strait. The Arctic Ocean will be a point of interest for the U.S. and Russia in the future.
J.R. NYQUIST: In 2018 Russia conducted the Vostok 18 exercise[i] with Mongolian and Chinese troops. It was – as I recall – simulating a nuclear bombardment of America followed by what looked like a practice invasion for Alaska. Do you recall that?
LUDE: Back in February when we talked about Russia’s strategy, we mentioned in our program that Russia was – and had been – interested in taking Alaska in the future, because the strategic forces in the Far East just prepare for that.
J.R. NYQUIST: And I imagine they would attack northern Canada as well.
LUDE: Yes, absolutely, and, for China, in the intercontinental ballistic missile force there are two units – two bases – in Mohe China – in the northern part of China, on the border with Russia. These two bases with their DF-41 ballistic missiles can reach as far as Washington, D.C.
J.R. NYQUIST: Last summer the Russians practiced an attack on Hawaii, if you remember.
J.R. NYQUIST: We see the Chinese military preparing, we read the transcript of the 56-minute meeting, we read about over 900 ships to be loaded with military equipment, we read about 64 ro-ro ships of 10,000 tons. If they are going to besiege Taiwan instead of invading it, what islands are they going to invade with those ships?
LUDE: The target of the Chinese force – what they are mobilizing for – are the islands of the second island chain, from the Solomon Islands all the way north. All these will be their strategic points of interest in the future conflict.[ii]
J.R. NYQUIST: So that’s Guam? – Does that include Guam?
LUDE: What they are going to attack is not every single island. Remember, this strategy does not operate in the military domain by itself. It is like a multi-domain conflict they are planning on. Domains will be, like economy, like politics, like the fifth column inside the U.S. to stir things up and cause social turmoil and unrest … to cause destruction to the society and social structure…. They will use the American system to attack America; because if we have a strong protest inside the U.S. against a war in the Pacific the government will probably not be able to do much; so, this is something that they are planning. So this is not only coming out of the military domain. It is not just war they are thinking about. This is a multi-domain unrestricted warfare, using all the things they can think of. But, [exploiting] the psychological side of warfare is what they are trying achieve by using their forces.
J.R. NYQUIST: So, will they be using the classic Chinese “fight-fight, talk-talk” method of advancing?
LUDE: The China-Russia strategy here is, first, a global strategy of depth. Second, it relies on unrestricted warfare; so, what they want to do is to bring down America, bring down the U.S., like what happened to the Soviet Union. When the Soviet Union collapsed there was no war. Not a drop of bloodshed; but the whole system just collapsed from within. They are trying to achieve this kind of effect in the U.S. by turning one party against another; turning one ideology against another….
J.R. NYQUIST: President Biden is collapsing our energy supplies by his policies. These policies have resulted in the closure of oil refineries and the Keystone Pipeline. Is Mr. Biden cooperating in this Chinese maneuver?
LUDE: I do not believe that Mr. Biden is working with the CCP. His closing of the refineries is for environmental reasons. It is not directly related to the China and Russia effort.[iii]
J.R. NYQUIST: This Biden energy policy is having a negative impact on the U.S. economy right now.
LUDE: Energy is not a huge issue because America itself is energy self-sufficient. But here China and Russia want to achieve, on the financial side, a loss of confidence in U.S. economy. This is something they have been trying to do for a long time.
J.R. NYQUIST: And, of course, Russia is using energy to try to break Germany and Japan off from the United States.
LUDE: It is a long-term scheme, Russia worked on for a long time, in Germany.
J.R. NYQUIST: Under what circumstances do they expect nuclear weapons to be used? Or are they just holding nuclear weapons in reserve in case things spiral out of control?
LUDE: First, the nuclear weapon arsenal of China has been prepared to do this; because the mobilization happens after the weapons are ready. That’s what we observe. Second, they already assured themselves the capability of reaching the U.S. homeland with their ballistic nuclear missiles. They are preparing this for their talks. This is a big chip on their table.
J.R. NYQUIST: So, they are going to try nuclear blackmail first? Is that right?
LUDE: This is similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis back in the day. This is not like North Korea saying, “Hey, I got nuclear weapons, I can reach your homeland.” Here China and Russia – the CCP and Russia – they already demonstrated that they are capable of doing this. And then they use this as nuclear blackmail. So this is much more powerful than the nuclear blackmail by North Korea who wants more resources.
J.R. NYQUIST: Because the threat of nuclear war from Russia and China is more credible?
LUDE: Yes. That’s right. This is a very credible threat.
J.R. NYQUIST: The Russian generals have a theory they’ve held in private. They call it “the axe theory.” It’s the theory that, if you are going to war, you use your most terrible weapon first; so that it is very important in a nuclear war to strike first.
LUDE: First, the axe theory will be very effective for the opponent who has no retaliation ready to be deployed. So, the Russian axe theory is effective against smaller countries. But the U.S. has a nuclear triad which is capable of full-scale nuclear retaliation. So, they will be very careful about launching a preemptive nuclear strike. The CCP’s strategy is that first, they will show the Americans that they are capable of this kind of strike.
J.R. NYQUIST: Will they attack a smaller target, then, as an example?
LUDE: If the conflict starts, the U.S. fleet could be a target of their tactical nuclear weapons. This is a combination of different domains of warfare. This is a threat, and a show of forces is part of the scheme here.
J.R. NYQUIST: India is going to be alarmed by this. They have a large border with China and they are a nuclear power. Will the CCP have a problem with India?
LUDE: We know that the Quad in the Asia-Pacific – U.S., India, Japan and Australia – this is a very strong alliance to make India feel safe. But if this Quad system collapses, [then] India is facing China by itself and a lot of things are going to change. Russia is popular in India. [India will then align with China and Russia.]
J.R. NYQUIST: In our previous conversation you mentioned that China has built weapons plants that are producing tanks and other weapons for Russia in Mongolia.
LUDE: Inner Mongolia. They have there a subdivision of Norinco Company.[iv]
J.R. NYQUIST: Inner Mongolia – in Northern China.
LUDE: It’s a province of China.
J.R. NYQUIST: Yes, that’s northern China, by the Mongolian border.
LUDE: It is grassland and there are several cities there. Norinco has several cities there.
J.R. NYQUIST: Are they building Russian tanks or Chinese tanks?
LUDE: In Inner Mongolia, First Machinery Group Corporation – this is the name of it, owned by the Chinese government – a subdivision of Norinco company and it is making tanks and armored vehicles both for the Chinese military and the Russian military.
J.R. NYQUIST: They are not making T-14s, are they? – The Armata?
LUDE: I don’t think Russia shares that with anybody.
J.R. NYQUIST: How is China masking or hiding its military preparations from the United States? The U.S. must know if they are moving missiles or getting ready for nuclear war.
LUDE: This is related to the recent lockdowns in China. So, they lockdown cities, they lock the people inside so nobody is on the street. They also closed many highways…. Then they will use military convoys disguised as medical equipment or COVID-19 related supplies. They disguise their military equipment – like missiles and things – as this kind of civilian convoy so it can be shipped around without too much notice.
J.R. NYQUIST: How are they going to safeguard their military communications against the NSA? Won’t the Americans discover this mobilization by monitoring their communications?
LUDE: What they are using is, actually, the civilian [communications] equipment. And they are also using civilian frequencies to communicate with these convoys. But, what they use is a codename system, so that, for example, a missile can be codenamed after a certain kind of vegetable….
J.R. NYQUIST: So, “bring me some carrots” means bring a missile.
LUDE: Exactly. Also, they say “how many bags of carrots” to bring. They have a codename book [which] they hold, for example, [they might say], “We are going to a certain supermarket which is a place they have on their codebook. So this is very confusing for whoever is trying to monitor them because they will have no idea what they are talking about.
J.R. NYQUIST: So, we are really in trouble when they are asking for sweet potatoes in Shandong. [Laughter.]
LUDE: They use the civilian bandwidth to communicate this. What China has experienced is that the U.S. does not have the capacity to monitor all the civilian communications in China. So they can hide this kind of communication in a very clever way.
J.R. NYQUIST: Is it true that China is financing Russia’s war in Ukraine?
LUDE: On February 4th I explained in my broadcast that Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin signed a secret document to become military partners. So after that is signed the CCP and China has been funding Russia’s invasion into Ukraine. Putin needs this kind of guarantee to even think about starting this war.
J.R. NYQUIST: And is there some place where the Chinese and Russian generals meet to coordinate? Is there some secret center in Inner Mongolia, Siberia, Mongolia – somewhere they are coordinating this?
LUDE: We have not paid attention to how they are communicating, only the content. Remember the military unit that carried out Bucha massacre in Ukraine. That unit was from the Far East. It was based within 100 kilometers from the Chinese border. That base is where the Chinese and Russian military work together. The troops in that division or unit all speak Chinese. In 2021 there was a joint military drill in China. This unit, the 64th Armored Division, was brought to this drill by the Russian military. This is a well-known unit to the Chinese military.
J.R. NYQUIST: About the leadership of Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin. People blame them for what is happening. Are these personalities responsible for this, or is the Communist Party and other collective leadership groups following a long-range plan?
LUDE: In China the political system is different [when] compared to the Russians. So in China it is a centralized authoritarian dictatorship – which means that if we talk about Xi Jinping we are talking about the whole Chinese government. In this government, in the top brass of the military, there is very small chance that they will work openly against Xi Jinping; so if Xi wants something done everybody will be jumping on that same boat.
J.R. NYQUIST: China is Marxist-Leninist. What about these other Marxist-Leninist countries like Cuba, Venezuela, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, North Korea, etc.? Peru now has a Marxist president. A former Marxist guerilla may win the election in Colombia.
LUDE: Back in the day, there is, probably you know, there was the Communist International. After the Soviet Union collapsed China took over as the leader of the International. It is not like an openly declared title; but China as the biggest communist country and it assumed leadership of the Communist International. They have built off of that.
J.R. NYQUIST: I heard that communist governments in Southeast Asia were informed that China and Russia were planning to go to war with the United States in the not-too-distant future and that they had to get ready. I heard this two years ago.
LUDE: That is for sure. We can verify this information, actually.
J.R. NYQUIST: You got hold of this amazing recording, the 56-minutes from the standing party meeting in Guangdong which mentioned an American counterattack against Chinese strategic targets in Guangdong. Are they expecting to be hit by nuclear weapons from America?
LUDE: Yes, that is for sure. The Chinese government of the CCP do not really care about its people’s lives. They just use people as their shield. They use people as a resource. If they get hit with nuclear weapons and millions die, they don’t even frown on that.
J.R. NYQUIST: And I understand, when you released the recording of that meeting, when you did that, people were arrested and killed?
LUDE: There are 40 people being investigated right now. This has already [warranted] martial law for these people already.
J.R. NYQUIST: When you look into the CCP system, they look into you. So, if they get hold of one of your sources, they can flip him and feed you false information? How do you avoid taking on false information?
LUDE: From your description I can see that this is very common way that the CIA works against the former Soviet Union and the KGB works against the Americans back in the day; but we are using a totally different approach. The CCP is declaring a “people’s war” against the West. We, at the same time, also use a people’s war against the CCP.
J.R. NYQUIST: Have they ever tried to feed you false information?
LUDE: Absolutely. One hundred percent.
J.R. NYQUIST: They must really hate you. Are they coming after you?
LUDE: Yes, absolutely. They have tried that many times.
J.R. NYQUIST: So, how will we know when this war is going to start. What are we looking for?
LUDE: The time frame depends on several factors. First, negotiations between China/Russia and the U.S. If these negotiations go very well, they will come up with a [new] borderline in the Pacific. They will then reach an agreement. In that case we will probably never see a war. If the U.S. does not back off from Taiwan, from the first island chain, and if the U.S. totally disrespects China and Russia’s demands, then China and Russia will start carrying this [war] out in two or three months. But “carrying out,” just like we mentioned, is a talk and fight and talk and fight – this kind of theme. They will use all different kinds of warfare, in all domains, to achieve their strategic goal. They will be talking as they go.
J.R. NYQUIST: So, [just to be clear], there will be a blockade of Taiwan and there will be all kinds of talking.
LUDE: First, they will block off Taiwan from air and sea…. And then they will use this as blackmail to force the U.S. out of the first island chain. Push them back to second island chain. If the U.S. does not agree with this kind of demand, there will be a war. There will be military conflict. If the military conflict goes well for the U.S., then it is a different story. If it does not go well for the U.S. then they will keep talking. All these things will happen at the same time.
J.R. NYQUIST: So they have contingencies.
LUDE: Yes, exactly.
J.R. NYQUIST: So they want Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan to be in their sphere of influence, under their side of the Pacific.
LUDE: Yes, exactly. They want Taiwan, Japan and South Korea under their control. This will be a huge blow to U.S. technology and economy. These three countries are critical to semi-conductors, electronics, motor vehicles, and even military. If the U.S. is pushed out of the first island chain these countries will fall to China and it will be a disaster for the U.S.
J.R. NYQUIST: What about Australia? Does it count at all in their strategy?
LUDE: The Australian election just finished and Labor Party took power. This can be tricky down the road for U.S. diplomacy. There are certain key players in the Labor Party, which is very close to the CCP, and this is what the CCP wanted. I have some communication from Australia; so, back in April, a source declared that Labor is going to win the election.
J.R. NYQUIST: Interesting. Is there anything I’ve missed that you would like to add?
LUDE: I want to warn the U.S. political elites that there is no room to give. If the U.S. loses Taiwan, South Korea and Japan, the supply chain to the U.S. would break, it would be a disaster. The economy would be a disaster. China and Russia would then start stirring things up in the U.S. This defeat will set the U.S. back a hundred years.
J.R. NYQUIST: If there is a breakup of the United States, or any weakening, the Russians and Chinese – I assume – will send troops to the United States.
LUDE: Yes. Red Dawn is not really a movie anymore.
J.R. NYQUIST: They would be welcomed by some people in California, I think.
LUDE: The dictatorships, they play a psychological trick. One of their main skills in history. Xi and Putin are no exception. If we, the Americans, are ready – our leaders, our Congress – are ready to take them on, there is only a small chance they will prevail. If we try to trade space for peace, that will be a disaster.
J.R. NYQUIST: I knew Col. Stanislav Lunev, the highest-ranking defector from Russian military intelligence. He was at a meeting of the Russian General Staff before his defection in the 1990s. It was about the secret coordination of China and Russia in a future war; and [he said] they had divided North America so that China would get the lower 48 states while Russia would get Alaska and parts of Canada. Have you heard anything like this from any of your Chinese military sources?
LUDE: Yes, we talked about this plan in our program.
J.R. NYQUIST: And do you believe in the authenticity of this secret speech of General Chi Haotian that he gave about twenty years ago, when he was Defense Minister [of China], talking about using biological weapons to “clean up America” while making their war preparations seem like they are aiming at Taiwan when it is really aiming at America?
LUDE: Back in Mao’s days, forty, fifty, sixty years ago, they have three major weapons. The first is nuclear weapon. The second is the biological weapon. The third is the infiltration weapon.
J.R. NYQUIST: It sounds like nothing has changed. Thank you very much for granting me this interview. This has been very informative.
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[ii] Technically, the Solomon Islands are far past the second island chain.
[iii] Mr. Lude evidently does not know that global warming was set in motion by Soviet officials in the early 1980s.He assumes Biden sincerely believes in combating global warming by choking off energy from the U.S. economy. I believe such energy policies are integral to Russian strategy if not Chinese strategy.
[iv] China North Industries Corporation
Source: JR Nyquist